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[2012-07-26 19:30:51] <wordbender> Fun trick! :)

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[2012-07-26 19:31:00] <Suzon> :)

[2012-07-26 19:31:01] <MateyY> Hello!

[2012-07-26 19:31:05] <wordbender> Greetings, all!

[2012-07-26 19:31:14] -->| Omar067 (b8265dc3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.38.93.195) has joined #vortexaw

[2012-07-26 19:31:16] <Suzon> Hello

[2012-07-26 19:31:17] <Suzon> all

[2012-07-26 19:31:22] <Omar067> Hello.

[2012-07-26 19:31:28] <AvatarRokusGhost> Hey

[2012-07-26 19:31:40] <Mageddon725> Sup guys

[2012-07-26 19:31:47] <MateyY> Let's get writing!

[2012-07-26 19:31:48] <Suzon> Looks like we will be missing Lostris, and BM

[2012-07-26 19:31:51] <MateyY> Drama!

[2012-07-26 19:31:56] <MateyY> Lostris!

[2012-07-26 19:31:57] <Suzon> and let's waait for Slaash

[2012-07-26 19:32:05] <Suzon> I talked to him earlier

[2012-07-26 19:32:06] <MateyY> Let me go get my necatrine :)

[2012-07-26 19:32:06] <wordbender> Sounds good.

[2012-07-26 19:32:09] <Suzon> He said he'd join

[2012-07-26 19:32:15] <MateyY> * nectarine

[2012-07-26 19:32:32] <wordbender> Curses. A nectarine sounds really good...

[2012-07-26 19:32:37] <Omar067> We should have these meetings earlier.

[2012-07-26 19:32:48] <Suzon> Let's give Slash a minute or two

[2012-07-26 19:33:13] <AvatarRokusGhost> Maybe we can do a regular schedule after this

[2012-07-26 19:33:23] <wordbender> That would be very smart. ;)

[2012-07-26 19:33:32] <MateyY> So, have I missed anything?

[2012-07-26 19:33:37] <MateyY> Have we discussed the story yet?

[2012-07-26 19:33:41] <Suzon> Not much; not really

[2012-07-26 19:34:06] <wordbender> Good, then I'm not behind either.

[2012-07-26 19:34:26] * AvatarRokusGhost nods

[2012-07-26 19:34:37] <Suzon> Okay; so first off

[2012-07-26 19:34:47] <Mageddon725> I guess I'll get the ball rolling then. What about minions for our villain

[2012-07-26 19:34:55] <Suzon> Let's decide who write what chapters and how many

[2012-07-26 19:34:55] <Mageddon725> Oh, oops...

[2012-07-26 19:35:00] <Suzon> lol

[2012-07-26 19:35:04] <Suzon> Let's decide who write what chapters and how many

[2012-07-26 19:35:06] <Suzon> firsy

[2012-07-26 19:35:09] <Suzon> first*

[2012-07-26 19:35:12] <Suzon> Okay

[2012-07-26 19:35:19] <AvatarRokusGhost> Should we discuss the prologue first?

[2012-07-26 19:35:27] <Suzon> Okay

[2012-07-26 19:35:30] <Mageddon725> Good idea.

[2012-07-26 19:35:35] * Suzon writes the prologue

[2012-07-26 19:35:37] <Omar067> Yep.

[2012-07-26 19:35:37] <MateyY> I think we need to know what we want to write, so that we know which chapters we can write to ideally contribute to the story.

[2012-07-26 19:36:07] <Suzon> I guess

[2012-07-26 19:36:24] <MateyY> I want to write an extremely sad chapter.

[2012-07-26 19:36:37] <Suzon> MateyY: The last will be exteremly sad

[2012-07-26 19:36:46] <Suzon> Oh BTW THE IDENTITY OF OLAIYA;

[2012-07-26 19:36:49] <MateyY> Write me up for it :)

[2012-07-26 19:36:55] <Suzon> Olaiya is a future avatar's son

[2012-07-26 19:37:03] <wordbender> *gasp*

[2012-07-26 19:37:07] <Suzon> The avatar abandonded him an his mom

[2012-07-26 19:37:10] * AvatarRokusGhost nods

[2012-07-26 19:37:15] <Suzon> Making him hate the avatar

[2012-07-26 19:37:19] <MateyY> Oh, poop!

[2012-07-26 19:37:24] <Suzon> at the end; he'll meet his father

[2012-07-26 19:37:31] <wordbender> Awww

[2012-07-26 19:37:45] <MateyY> And he'll kill him, and they will both suffer, after which he will commit suicide?

[2012-07-26 19:37:54] <Suzon> Maybe

[2012-07-26 19:37:57] <wordbender> Dark, much?

[2012-07-26 19:38:03] <MateyY> Sounds great, I'm in!

[2012-07-26 19:38:04] <Mageddon725> Wow...that's a downer...

[2012-07-26 19:38:14] <MateyY> Always my thing :0

[2012-07-26 19:38:17] <MateyY> * :)

[2012-07-26 19:38:25] <wordbender> Am I allowed to ask 'why' the avatar abandonned his son?

[2012-07-26 19:38:30] <MateyY> That nectarine is good :)

[2012-07-26 19:38:33] <AvatarRokusGhost> I like this :)

[2012-07-26 19:38:35] <Suzon> He needed to do his duties

[2012-07-26 19:38:38] <Suzon> wordbender^

[2012-07-26 19:38:47] <Suzon> and He hated the mother

[2012-07-26 19:38:50] <Suzon> maybe

[2012-07-26 19:38:53] <wordbender> Ahh. ...ouch.

[2012-07-26 19:39:00] <Suzon> Yeah

[2012-07-26 19:39:00] <MateyY> The hating part is unrealisitc.

[2012-07-26 19:39:03] <Suzon> Why?

[2012-07-26 19:39:09] <Suzon> Avatars can hate

[2012-07-26 19:39:09] <MateyY> * unrealistic

[2012-07-26 19:39:30] <MateyY> But to hate your child's mother while caring for the entire world?

[2012-07-26 19:39:34] <AvatarRokusGhost> That's not very specific though

[2012-07-26 19:39:36] <MateyY> That sounds unrealistic.

[2012-07-26 19:39:40] <Suzon> I guess

[2012-07-26 19:39:50] <Suzon> Maybe; he didn't know he wsa avatar yet

[2012-07-26 19:39:55] <Suzon> and he just left

[2012-07-26 19:40:00] <Suzon> for slelfish reasons

[2012-07-26 19:40:06] <AvatarRokusGhost> He married the mother at one point

[2012-07-26 19:40:24] <MateyY> Well, you usually don't just start hating people/

[2012-07-26 19:40:25] <AvatarRokusGhost> If he had a falling out with her it was for a reason

[2012-07-26 19:40:32] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 19:40:39] <AvatarRokusGhost> Or maybe just stick with his Avatar duties getting in the way

[2012-07-26 19:40:43] <Mageddon725> Keeping it in balance Matey, not necessarily caring for it. Avatars are human too (except, ya know, they have this reaaly powerful spirit inside of them)

[2012-07-26 19:40:55] <Suzon> lol

[2012-07-26 19:41:02] <MateyY> But there needs to be a reason.

[2012-07-26 19:41:06] <MateyY> He can't just hate her.

[2012-07-26 19:41:07] <Suzon> Olaiya is immensly powerful

[2012-07-26 19:41:11] <Suzon> and an energybender

[2012-07-26 19:41:13] <MateyY> It doesn't work that way.

[2012-07-26 19:41:16] <MateyY> (ARg

[2012-07-26 19:41:20] <wordbender> I guess, I want to know if the Avatar *abandonned* his child, or he just couldn't stay.

[2012-07-26 19:41:21] <wordbender> If that makes sense.

[2012-07-26 19:41:22] <Mageddon725> I agree, and we should discuss that now.

[2012-07-26 19:41:27] <MateyY> *ARG's specialty

[2012-07-26 19:41:30] <MateyY> Yes

[2012-07-26 19:41:31] <Suzon> Maybe he couldn't stay

[2012-07-26 19:41:39] <Suzon> and Olaiya hates him

[2012-07-26 19:41:45] <MateyY> But you don't hate a person you want to be with

[2012-07-26 19:41:46] <Mageddon725> That does seem more likely

[2012-07-26 19:42:01] <MateyY> Why?

[2012-07-26 19:42:10] <Omar067> But the character I'm contributing to this fanon is an Avatar.

[2012-07-26 19:42:17] <Suzon> He feels abandoned

[2012-07-26 19:42:26] <AvatarRokusGhost> Hmmm

[2012-07-26 19:42:30] <Suzon> Omar067: Yes from a different timestream in the past

[2012-07-26 19:42:40] <Omar067> Okay.

[2012-07-26 19:42:41] <MateyY> Yes, but his dad can't know his son feels abandoned.

[2012-07-26 19:42:42] <AvatarRokusGhost> Maybe he left for a reason...like he was exiled from his home

[2012-07-26 19:42:51] <wordbender> Caution: Time Paradox

[2012-07-26 19:42:55] <AvatarRokusGhost> And it was /interpreted/ by Olaiya as an abandonment

[2012-07-26 19:43:06] <wordbender> I like that idea.

[2012-07-26 19:43:09] <MateyY> Maybe he was afraid and he refuses to accept it.

[2012-07-26 19:43:15] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 19:43:24] <Suzon> For being an energybender?

[2012-07-26 19:43:26] <Suzon> maybe

[2012-07-26 19:43:33] <Suzon> Olaiya is around 15 btw

[2012-07-26 19:43:35] <Suzon> to clarify

[2012-07-26 19:43:51] <MateyY> No

[2012-07-26 19:43:57] <Suzon> ???

[2012-07-26 19:44:00] <Mageddon725> Whoa, 15?

[2012-07-26 19:44:02] <MateyY> Not from being an energybender

[2012-07-26 19:44:13] <Mageddon725> A little young, don't you think?

[2012-07-26 19:44:13] <Suzon> Mageddon725: Should he be older?

[2012-07-26 19:44:15] <AvatarRokusGhost> Why does he have to be that young?

[2012-07-26 19:44:20] <AvatarRokusGhost> He's the main antagonist

[2012-07-26 19:44:22] <Suzon> Well, he's a kid

[2012-07-26 19:44:27] <Suzon> who feels betrayed

[2012-07-26 19:44:29] <MateyY> Maybe there is an evil or past that he can't battle, so he fears it and runs away.

[2012-07-26 19:44:36] <AvatarRokusGhost> He could've been abandoned by his father years before

[2012-07-26 19:44:36] <MateyY> Per Suzon.

[2012-07-26 19:44:51] <AvatarRokusGhost> But his dad can still show up later

[2012-07-26 19:44:57] <MateyY> That can also be portrayed by the kid's hearing of news of his father's supposed greatness.

[2012-07-26 19:45:01] <AvatarRokusGhost> After they havent seen e/o in so long

[2012-07-26 19:45:10] <Suzon> I guess

[2012-07-26 19:45:18] <Omar067> I think he should be a little bit older.

[2012-07-26 19:45:43] <Suzon> In the prologue, it will mainly show Olaiya's life, and him making the "vortexes" with his minions...

[2012-07-26 19:45:43] <MateyY> Well, it depends on how the story is going to turn out.

[2012-07-26 19:45:52] <MateyY> 15 year olds are expected to be more confused.

[2012-07-26 19:45:56] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 19:46:01] <Suzon> Exactly

[2012-07-26 19:46:12] <AvatarRokusGhost> If he's an advanced energybender with minions conquering universes

[2012-07-26 19:46:16] <AvatarRokusGhost> Then he should be an adult

[2012-07-26 19:46:23] <Suzon> Maybe 17

[2012-07-26 19:46:27] <wordbender> And adults can still be confused.

[2012-07-26 19:46:29] <AvatarRokusGhost> It seems more plausible like that

[2012-07-26 19:46:31] <Suzon> but no where over 20

[2012-07-26 19:46:34] <AvatarRokusGhost> Yes they can

[2012-07-26 19:46:35] <MateyY> First of all, who is an advanced energybender - the Avatar, right?

[2012-07-26 19:46:42] <Suzon> I'd say 17-19

[2012-07-26 19:46:44] <AvatarRokusGhost> Personally I would say nowhere under 30

[2012-07-26 19:46:53] <wordbender> I was thinking the same, ARG

[2012-07-26 19:46:58] <Suzon> 30s

[2012-07-26 19:46:59] <Mageddon725> Agreed

[2012-07-26 19:47:04] <MateyY> Disagree.

[2012-07-26 19:47:04] <Suzon> thats too old

[2012-07-26 19:47:07] <Omar067> Yeah me too.

[2012-07-26 19:47:07] <Suzon> Maybe 25

[2012-07-26 19:47:12] <MateyY> Nope.

[2012-07-26 19:47:21] <MateyY> First of all, WHO is the ENERGYBENDER?

[2012-07-26 19:47:30] <wordbender> Olaiya, I believe

[2012-07-26 19:47:34] <Mageddon725> Olaiya

[2012-07-26 19:47:37] <Suzon> yes

[2012-07-26 19:47:37] <MateyY> How did he get that power?

[2012-07-26 19:47:42] <Suzon> WAIT I GOT IT

[2012-07-26 19:47:48] <Suzon> WAIT DON'T TALK

[2012-07-26 19:47:59] <Suzon> If we want a real "vortex/paradox"

[2012-07-26 19:48:17] <Suzon> Olaiya can be the Avatar himself, he can be old, and he can be stopping the younger him

[2012-07-26 19:48:22] <Suzon> TALK AGAIN

[2012-07-26 19:48:37] <Suzon> OKAY?

[2012-07-26 19:48:43] <wordbender> But that would make Olaiya his own father?

[2012-07-26 19:48:48] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 19:48:50] <Suzon> a Paradox

[2012-07-26 19:48:55] <Omar067> ?

[2012-07-26 19:48:56] <Mageddon725> ???

[2012-07-26 19:49:05] <Suzon> He fell in love with his own mother

[2012-07-26 19:49:10] <Suzon> when he was older

[2012-07-26 19:49:11] <wordbender> Hmm...

[2012-07-26 19:49:14] <Suzon> and went back in time

[2012-07-26 19:49:19] <Suzon> and married her

[2012-07-26 19:49:23] <Suzon> It is a paradox


[2012-07-26 19:49:25] <MateyY> Heck, yes!


[2012-07-26 19:49:29] <Suzon> that he is trying to fix


[2012-07-26 19:49:31] <MateyY> Writing about half-perverted topics...


[2012-07-26 19:49:39] <MateyY> Oh, okay.


[2012-07-26 19:49:39] <Omar067> What?


[2012-07-26 19:49:41] <Suzon> It is a classical Paradox


[2012-07-26 19:49:42] <Mageddon725> Well, that...that gets into the Oedipus complex...and...uh...


[2012-07-26 19:49:43] <MateyY> Makes perfect sense.

[2012-07-26 19:49:49] <MateyY> I KNOW, I KNOW!!


[2012-07-26 19:49:53] <Suzon> he wants to stop the paradox


[2012-07-26 19:50:00] <MateyY> In the end, he is so confused, he kills himself!!


[2012-07-26 19:50:05] <MateyY> That's it ^^^!


[2012-07-26 19:50:10] <Suzon> Maybe


[2012-07-26 19:50:12] <MateyY> And I write that chapter!


[2012-07-26 19:50:30] <Suzon> If he is in a paradox and trys to fix it; it gives him meaning


[2012-07-26 19:50:31] <wordbender> I'm all for some kind of paradox, but I'm not a fan of that one.


[2012-07-26 19:50:44] <AvatarRokusGhost> If there is some kind of paradox


[2012-07-26 19:51:00] <Omar067> I'm with wordbender.


[2012-07-26 19:51:04] <AvatarRokusGhost> That could be a source of the vortexes/energy


[2012-07-26 19:51:10] <Suzon> Yes


[2012-07-26 19:51:12] <MateyY> Good point.


[2012-07-26 19:51:16] <wordbender> I like that.


[2012-07-26 19:51:17] <Suzon> Btu let me find a paradox


[2012-07-26 19:51:19] <Suzon> to use


[2012-07-26 19:51:26] <MateyY> So in the end, he has to end it all by killing himself.


[2012-07-26 19:51:34] <Suzon> yes


[2012-07-26 19:51:35] <MateyY> Or he just gets so confused, he accidently does it.


[2012-07-26 19:51:45] <Suzon> He realizes he must kill himself

[2012-07-26 19:51:50] <Suzon> to end the paradox

[2012-07-26 19:51:59] <MateyY> And in the end, he fails?

[2012-07-26 19:52:03] <MateyY> Maybe, maybe not?

[2012-07-26 19:52:04] <Suzon> but what is the type of paradox?

[2012-07-26 19:52:08] <Suzon> and maybe not

[2012-07-26 19:52:09] <wordbender> Wait, what about this!

[2012-07-26 19:52:14] <Suzon> go for it

[2012-07-26 19:52:33] <wordbender> Olaiya becomes that evil that his father must stop, and so is the reason that he was abandonned and thus became evil

[2012-07-26 19:52:41] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 19:52:50] <Suzon> and he ends up having to kill himself

[2012-07-26 19:53:06] <Omar067> ?

[2012-07-26 19:53:17] <MateyY> Wonderful.

[2012-07-26 19:53:27] <MateyY> And remember, the chapters must be ultra-confusing

[2012-07-26 19:53:30] <wordbender> Does he kill himself to save his younger self from the heartache of losing his father?

[2012-07-26 19:53:38] <MateyY> It cannot be straightforward.

[2012-07-26 19:53:45] <MateyY> Maybe if we added amnesia to the story.

[2012-07-26 19:53:46] <Suzon> Maybe

[2012-07-26 19:53:47] <AvatarRokusGhost> Hmmm

[2012-07-26 19:53:51] <AvatarRokusGhost> That might work

[2012-07-26 19:53:51] <Suzon> No amnesia

[2012-07-26 19:53:58] <MateyY> Then he would not remember anything, so he would try to fix his past.

[2012-07-26 19:54:00] <MateyY> Why not?

[2012-07-26 19:54:05] <wordbender> Fair warning, I'm a sucker for happy endings.

[2012-07-26 19:54:09] <MateyY> In the end, he realizes what he has to do.

[2012-07-26 19:54:17] <MateyY> We do not want a happy ending :)

[2012-07-26 19:54:21] <AvatarRokusGhost> Yeah

[2012-07-26 19:54:28] <MateyY> It's like Xena :)

[2012-07-26 19:54:35] <AvatarRokusGhost> But a lot of this cannot be known until later on in the story

[2012-07-26 19:54:43] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 19:54:44] <MateyY> Well, yes

[2012-07-26 19:54:48] <MateyY> And no

[2012-07-26 19:54:53] <wordbender> No happy ending? *sigh*

[2012-07-26 19:54:57] <MateyY> The prologue could tell of his past and evil deads

[2012-07-26 19:54:58] <Suzon> They don't find out it is a paradox till near the end

[2012-07-26 19:55:01] <Omar067> So, can someone give me a summary of the prologue is about?

[2012-07-26 19:55:02] <MateyY> @wordbender: probably not

[2012-07-26 19:55:03] <Mageddon725> So...the ending can't be at all happy.... :(

[2012-07-26 19:55:22] <MateyY> Well, he possibly ends the paradox

[2012-07-26 19:55:29] <MateyY> By killing himself.

[2012-07-26 19:55:30] <wordbender> If we want to use such a paradox, the best way to accomplish it and still keep it all straight is to plot it out before we start writing.

[2012-07-26 19:55:45] <MateyY> Okay.

[2012-07-26 19:55:50] <MateyY> Prologue by Suzon

[2012-07-26 19:55:55] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 19:55:57] <MateyY> Tells of the boy's past and evil deeds

[2012-07-26 19:56:08] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 19:56:18] <Suzon> and shows him creating portals

[2012-07-26 19:56:21] <Suzon> vortexes

[2012-07-26 19:56:26] <MateyY> Then we can get to chapter one where he ends up waking up w/o any recollection of anything

[2012-07-26 19:56:27] <AvatarRokusGhost> Agreed with WB

[2012-07-26 19:56:39] <MateyY> And the world is so strange.

[2012-07-26 19:56:51] <Suzon> No amnesia

[2012-07-26 19:56:57] <MateyY> Why?

[2012-07-26 19:57:05] <Suzon> I don't like that

[2012-07-26 19:57:12] <Suzon> The Paradox is good enough

[2012-07-26 19:57:19] <wordbender> Amnesia won't be necessary if we write it right.

[2012-07-26 19:57:22] <Suzon> YEs

[2012-07-26 19:57:24] <Suzon> Yes*

[2012-07-26 19:57:26] <Suzon> exactly

[2012-07-26 19:57:46] <MateyY> But that would accomplish a paradox inside a paradox

[2012-07-26 19:57:56] <Suzon> But that would end the paradox

[2012-07-26 19:58:18] <Suzon> Because he couldn't remember his actions to carry out the actions that carry out the actions over and over

[2012-07-26 19:58:18] <wordbender> Clarification Point: Have we decided on the paradox?

[2012-07-26 19:58:22] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 19:58:24] <MateyY> Not necessarily

[2012-07-26 19:58:29] <Suzon> ?

[2012-07-26 19:58:52] <MateyY> He has created a strange, one could even say perverted world

[2012-07-26 19:59:05] <MateyY> For example, animals and humans falling in love

[2012-07-26 19:59:12] <MateyY> All for the sake of marrying his mother

[2012-07-26 19:59:17] <Suzon> No

[2012-07-26 19:59:21] <Suzon> No marrying his mother

[2012-07-26 19:59:25] <AvatarRokusGhost> I like the paradox of "Olaiya becomes that evil that his father must stop, and so is the reason that he was abandonned and thus became evil"

[2012-07-26 19:59:26] <MateyY> Oh, okay

[2012-07-26 19:59:30] <Suzon> yes

[2012-07-26 19:59:34] <Suzon> per AvatarRokusGhost

[2012-07-26 19:59:38] <wordbender> Gee, me too. ;)

[2012-07-26 19:59:39] <Suzon> It's a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_%28logic%29

[2012-07-26 19:59:43] <Mageddon725> I agree with ARG

[2012-07-26 19:59:46] <MateyY> I'm lost

[2012-07-26 19:59:47] <AvatarRokusGhost> That seems good enough

[2012-07-26 20:00:06] <Mageddon725> And not psychologically scarring....

[2012-07-26 20:00:09] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 20:00:11] <Suzon> lol

[2012-07-26 20:00:13] <wordbender> :D

[2012-07-26 20:00:23] <Suzon> Okay

[2012-07-26 20:00:28] <Suzon> so we have the paradox down

[2012-07-26 20:00:38] <Suzon> Everyone needs to read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_%28logic%29

[2012-07-26 20:00:42] <Suzon> So when they write

[2012-07-26 20:00:46] <Suzon> it doesn't make them

[2012-07-26 20:00:48] <Suzon> fault

[2012-07-26 20:00:50] <Suzon> the paradox

[2012-07-26 20:00:56] <MateyY> So the son is evil because of his father and the father becomes evil to end the evil in his son?

[2012-07-26 20:01:03] <MateyY> *,

[2012-07-26 20:01:11] <wordbender> No.

[2012-07-26 20:01:12] <Suzon> No

[2012-07-26 20:01:20] <wordbender> The father left because he had to stop a great evil

[2012-07-26 20:01:25] <MateyY> Yes

[2012-07-26 20:01:27] <Suzon> Who is the son

[2012-07-26 20:01:30] <wordbender> Because of the abondonment issues, Olaiya became evil

[2012-07-26 20:01:32] <MateyY> That makes sense

[2012-07-26 20:01:32] <AvatarRokusGhost> No, the son is evil because of his father trying to stop his son, who is the evil he's trying to stop

[2012-07-26 20:01:39] <Suzon> Thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_%28logic%29

[2012-07-26 20:01:43] <Suzon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_%28logic%29 *

[2012-07-26 20:01:45] <Suzon> Read that

[2012-07-26 20:01:47] <Suzon> people

[2012-07-26 20:01:58] <wordbender> And eventually realizes that -through his timestream jumping- he's become the evil that pulled his father away.

[2012-07-26 20:02:08] <MateyY> Oh, drama!

[2012-07-26 20:02:13] <MateyY> Well, thanks everyone.

[2012-07-26 20:02:14] <Omar067> Guys.

[2012-07-26 20:02:18] <MateyY> My brain comprehended everythign!

[2012-07-26 20:02:23] <MateyY> * everything

[2012-07-26 20:02:39] <Suzon> Yeah

[2012-07-26 20:02:46] <Omar067> I'm confused.

[2012-07-26 20:02:46] <Suzon> The Paradox is good

[2012-07-26 20:02:52] <Suzon> but we cannot make any faults

[2012-07-26 20:02:59] <Suzon> ot it will be a wy out of paradox

[2012-07-26 20:03:05] <Suzon> without suicide

[2012-07-26 20:03:12] <Suzon> Omar067: on what?

[2012-07-26 20:03:17] <MateyY> But that ruins the drama

[2012-07-26 20:03:26] <MateyY> There needs to be a totally heartbreaking ending

[2012-07-26 20:03:30] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 20:03:32] <Suzon> a suiciide

[2012-07-26 20:03:34] <Suzon> is how

[2012-07-26 20:03:36] <Suzon> it ends

[2012-07-26 20:03:41] <Suzon> I'm sayng

[2012-07-26 20:03:42] <Suzon> that

[2012-07-26 20:03:43] <Omar067> No, the son is evil because of his father trying to stop his son, who is the evil he's trying to stop

[2012-07-26 20:03:44] <Suzon> has to be

[2012-07-26 20:03:45] <MateyY> "<@Suzon> without suicide"

[2012-07-26 20:03:53] <Suzon> No in context^

[2012-07-26 20:03:53] <MateyY> Yes, okay

[2012-07-26 20:03:55] <MateyY> Thanks.

[2012-07-26 20:04:04] <Omar067> I don't understand that.

[2012-07-26 20:04:07] <MateyY> And I'm going to write that chapter, right?

[2012-07-26 20:04:10] <MateyY> Omar067:

[2012-07-26 20:04:15] <Suzon> MateyY: yep

[2012-07-26 20:04:19] <MateyY> The father goes away to stop a great evil

[2012-07-26 20:04:25] <Suzon> Which is Olaiya^

[2012-07-26 20:04:32] <Suzon> and causes Olaiya

[2012-07-26 20:04:32] <MateyY> His son then becomes evil because his father went away

[2012-07-26 20:04:35] <Suzon> to be evil

[2012-07-26 20:04:38] <Suzon> a paradox

[2012-07-26 20:04:52] <MateyY> Finally, the son realizies he is the evil that made his father leave

[2012-07-26 20:05:01] <Suzon> Either him or his father have to die to end it

[2012-07-26 20:05:13] <Omar067> What did his son do to be evil.

[2012-07-26 20:05:14] <Omar067> ?

[2012-07-26 20:05:23] <Suzon> he acted out

[2012-07-26 20:05:27] <Suzon> from abandonment

[2012-07-26 20:06:22] <Suzon> Everyone got it?

[2012-07-26 20:06:29] <wordbender> Yep.

[2012-07-26 20:06:46] <Mageddon725> Yes

[2012-07-26 20:06:49] <AvatarRokusGhost> Yes

[2012-07-26 20:06:54] <Suzon> Omar067, MateyY?

[2012-07-26 20:06:54] <Omar067> Yeah.

[2012-07-26 20:06:57] <Suzon> k

[2012-07-26 20:07:02] <Suzon> We are good

[2012-07-26 20:07:04] [INFO] Messages Cleared.

[2012-07-26 20:07:08] <MateyY> Yep

[2012-07-26 20:07:10] <Suzon> On to the next subject

[2012-07-26 20:07:16] <Suzon> How many chapters

[2012-07-26 20:07:18] <AvatarRokusGhost> The reason for the vortexes and the scattered energy should be a mystery at the beginning

[2012-07-26 20:07:18] <Suzon> do we need

[2012-07-26 20:07:23] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 20:07:26] <AvatarRokusGhost> The paradox should be revealed later

[2012-07-26 20:07:29] <Suzon> We hint at paradox

[2012-07-26 20:07:35] <Suzon> before revealing though

[2012-07-26 20:07:41] <Suzon> With Paradoxial signs

[2012-07-26 20:07:44] <MateyY> Yes, foreshadowing is important

[2012-07-26 20:07:49] <Suzon> such as a green apple

[2012-07-26 20:07:52] <MateyY> Maybe a picture here and there

[2012-07-26 20:07:52] <Suzon> and black crows

[2012-07-26 20:07:55] <MateyY> Something forgotten

[2012-07-26 20:07:57] <MateyY> Yes

[2012-07-26 20:07:59] <MateyY> That too

[2012-07-26 20:08:04] <MateyY> Stranger reactions

[2012-07-26 20:08:26] <MateyY> Waterbenders considering bloodbending normal and waterbending strange

[2012-07-26 20:08:30] <MateyY> I think that's a good one

[2012-07-26 20:08:35] <MateyY> ^ Maybe too much

[2012-07-26 20:08:38] <AvatarRokusGhost> Hmmm

[2012-07-26 20:08:41] <AvatarRokusGhost> Could work

[2012-07-26 20:08:45] <Suzon> Only

[2012-07-26 20:08:51] <Suzon> in the chilidsh universe

[2012-07-26 20:09:13] <Suzon> IMPORTANT PART BELOW DON'T INTERRUPT YET

[2012-07-26 20:09:24] <Suzon> He will travel time

[2012-07-26 20:09:26] <Suzon> He has to

[2012-07-26 20:09:34] <Suzon> in order for his father to go away

[2012-07-26 20:09:45] <Suzon> So when he is in the latest timeline

[2012-07-26 20:09:50] <Suzon> everything is askew

[2012-07-26 20:09:56] <Suzon> but when he goes back in time

[2012-07-26 20:10:04] <Suzon> Everything becomes more normal

[2012-07-26 20:10:09] <Suzon> INTERRUPTABLE NOW

[2012-07-26 20:10:21] <Suzon> Okay?

[2012-07-26 20:10:27] <MateyY> Yep

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[2012-07-26 20:11:00] <wordbender_> Hey, sorry. My computer wigged.

[2012-07-26 20:11:05] <MateyY> What you missed: "

[19:08] <@Suzon> in the chilidsh universe

[19:09] <@Suzon> IMPORTANT PART BELOW DON'T INTERRUPT YET [19:09] <@Suzon> He will travel time

[19:09] <@Suzon> He has to [19:09] <@Suzon> in order for his father to go away

[19:09] <@Suzon> So when he is in the latest timeline

[19:09] <@Suzon> everything is askew

[19:10]<@Suzon> but when he goes back in time

[19:10] <@Suzon> Everything becomes more normal"

[2012-07-26 20:11:07] <Suzon> He will travel time

[2012-07-26 20:11:07] <Suzon> He has to

[2012-07-26 20:11:07] <Suzon> in order for his father to go away

[2012-07-26 20:11:07] <Suzon> So when he is in the latest timeline

[2012-07-26 20:11:07] <Suzon> everything is askew

[2012-07-26 20:11:08] <Suzon> but when he goes back in time

[2012-07-26 20:11:08] <Suzon> [20:10] Everything becomes more normal

[2012-07-26 20:11:11] <Suzon> or not

[2012-07-26 20:11:12] <Suzon> xD

[2012-07-26 20:11:31] <MateyY> He needs to cry at the end

[2012-07-26 20:11:35] <Suzon> yes

[2012-07-26 20:11:38] <MateyY> He needs to despise himself

[2012-07-26 20:11:44] <Suzon> a tear will start to break the paradox

[2012-07-26 20:11:50] <MateyY> Correction: it would be normal that he does

[2012-07-26 20:12:01] <MateyY> And he will realize

[2012-07-26 20:12:11] <Suzon> the tear will stop him from going back ni time again

[2012-07-26 20:12:11] <MateyY> That only through his spilled blood will he be able to end it all

[2012-07-26 20:12:16] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 20:12:37] <Suzon> (E \rightarrow (I \land R)) (Premise: If a person is excused from flying (E) because of mental illness, that must be because he is both insane (I), and requests an evaluation (R));

[2012-07-26 20:12:37] <Suzon> (I \rightarrow \neg R) (Premise: If a person is insane (I), he should not realize that he is, and would have no reason to request an evaluation)

[2012-07-26 20:12:37] <Suzon> (\neg I \lor \neg R) (2, Definition of implication: since an insane person would not request an evaluation, it follows that all people must either not be insane, or not request an evaluation)

[2012-07-26 20:12:37] <Suzon> (\neg (I \land R)) (3, De Morgan: since all people must either not be insane, or not request an evaluation, it follows that no person is both insane and requests an evaluation)

[2012-07-26 20:12:37] <Suzon> (\neg E) (4, 1, Modus Tollens: since a person may be excused from flying only if he is both insane and requests an evaluation, but no person can be both insane and request an evaluation, it follows that no person can be excused from flying for reasons of insanity)

[2012-07-26 20:12:44] <Suzon> READ THAT^^^^^^

[2012-07-26 20:13:11] <MateyY> HAPPY ENDING LOVERS; HERE IS YOUR PART: After he dies, we can have a few moments of him being in a normal family

[2012-07-26 20:13:22] <MateyY> * Being in his family, everything normal

[2012-07-26 20:13:28] <MateyY> * Being with his family

[2012-07-26 20:13:42] <Mageddon725> I'm okay with him dying, but the paradox needs to be stopped, that's all I ask

[2012-07-26 20:13:46] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 20:13:48] <Suzon> It will

[2012-07-26 20:13:50] <MateyY> So after he dies in the paradox, he is given another chance to make things right

[2012-07-26 20:13:51] <Suzon> by his death

[2012-07-26 20:14:12] <Suzon> OK BUT ON TO A NEW TOPIC

[2012-07-26 20:14:13] [INFO] Messages Cleared.

[2012-07-26 20:14:21] <Suzon> How many chapters will we do?

[2012-07-26 20:14:48] <Suzon> We need to do a lot in order to reveal it is a paradox

[2012-07-26 20:14:53] <Suzon> or it will seem random

[2012-07-26 20:15:39] <Suzon> Anybody?

[2012-07-26 20:15:40] <MateyY> It will be kind of psycho

[2012-07-26 20:15:54] <MateyY> We can't change that

[2012-07-26 20:15:55] <Suzon> We shoud do around 20 chapters

[2012-07-26 20:16:27] <Suzon> Oh and by the way; We won't be able to do a sequel if he commits suicide

[2012-07-26 20:16:28] <MateyY> So that means 2-3 chapters per person

[2012-07-26 20:16:32] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 20:16:49] <MateyY> Well, if it's a complete story by itself, why make a sequel?

[2012-07-26 20:16:55] <Mageddon725> 2 per person (almost) one to introduce their character and begin their section, and 1 later when the action has heated up

[2012-07-26 20:17:04] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 20:17:10] * Suzon will do 3

[2012-07-26 20:17:11] <AvatarRokusGhost> I'm not sure the amount of chapters matters as much as the order they go in/when events take place

[2012-07-26 20:17:25] <Suzon> We need to alternate times

[2012-07-26 20:17:35] <wordbender_> I think we should plot the story, and *then* decide how many chapters it needs.

[2012-07-26 20:17:39] <Suzon> between kid tiem; and adult time

[2012-07-26 20:17:43] <Suzon> OKAY

[2012-07-26 20:17:43] <AvatarRokusGhost> I agree with WB

[2012-07-26 20:17:57] [INFO] Messages Cleared.

[2012-07-26 20:18:02] <AvatarRokusGhost> The first chapter introduces the characters to each other

[2012-07-26 20:18:08] <AvatarRokusGhost> Does anyone want to do that?

[2012-07-26 20:18:12] <AvatarRokusGhost> Thats after the prologue

[2012-07-26 20:18:31] <Suzon> I think Omar would be good at that

[2012-07-26 20:18:37] <MateyY> All need input on that

[2012-07-26 20:18:42] <MateyY> That's the base of the characters

[2012-07-26 20:18:43] <Suzon> He is good at caputuring personalities

[2012-07-26 20:18:48] <Suzon> Omar067?

[2012-07-26 20:18:54] <Suzon> What do you think?

[2012-07-26 20:19:03] <MateyY> If a character is introduced incorrectly, the whole story may not be represented correctly.

[2012-07-26 20:19:12] <MateyY> Whoever does the first chapter must be very careful.

[2012-07-26 20:19:16] <Suzon> Half of the time

[2012-07-26 20:19:20] <Suzon> the characters

[2012-07-26 20:19:23] <Suzon> personalities

[2012-07-26 20:19:25] <Suzon> need to be

[2012-07-26 20:19:26] <Suzon> askew

[2012-07-26 20:19:28] <Suzon> a bit

[2012-07-26 20:19:39] <Suzon> To reveal paradox

[2012-07-26 20:19:43] <wordbender_> I suggest practicing with Character Conventions before attempting to write others characters.

[2012-07-26 20:19:53] <Omar067> I'm not confident with doing the first chapter.

[2012-07-26 20:20:00] <MateyY> Good :)

[2012-07-26 20:20:08] <Suzon> Well, hoabout this

[2012-07-26 20:20:10] <Suzon> We can

[2012-07-26 20:20:13] <Suzon> all do two

[2012-07-26 20:20:19] <Suzon> and co-write

[2012-07-26 20:20:23] <Suzon> the extras

[2012-07-26 20:20:32] <Suzon> and thatwill allow us

[2012-07-26 20:20:37] <MateyY> Could do if any of us have enough time and are good at sharing

[2012-07-26 20:20:40] <AvatarRokusGhost> wordbender_: how should we collectively go about that?

[2012-07-26 20:20:54] <Suzon> Guest writing/one-shots

[2012-07-26 20:20:58] <wordbender_> First, everyone should write up a comprehensive profile

[2012-07-26 20:21:07] <Suzon> I have an idea

[2012-07-26 20:21:09] <Suzon> too

[2012-07-26 20:21:12] <wordbender_> Possibly suggest chapters from their fanons to read

[2012-07-26 20:21:29] <wordbender_> And then, we could gather in the IRC and play the characters, to make them interact.

[2012-07-26 20:21:33] <MateyY> Well, mine isn't such a pearl..

[2012-07-26 20:21:38] <Suzon> I would say someone should guest write

[2012-07-26 20:21:41] <wordbender_> It works; I've done it on forums

[2012-07-26 20:21:42] <Suzon> another ones

[2012-07-26 20:21:48] <Suzon> in the form of a one-shot

[2012-07-26 20:21:51] <Suzon> for practice

[2012-07-26 20:22:11] <Mageddon725> I think wordbender's idea is good

[2012-07-26 20:22:21] <MateyY> But how do you present an entire character in a chat or one-shot

[2012-07-26 20:22:29] <Suzon> idk

[2012-07-26 20:22:30] <wordbender_> That's what the profile is for.

[2012-07-26 20:22:37] <Omar067> Yeah. Per wordbender.

[2012-07-26 20:22:42] <MateyY> The human being is much more sophisticated than any of us can image, much less embed in a few minutes

[2012-07-26 20:22:45] <AvatarRokusGhost> A RP-day

[2012-07-26 20:22:53] <wordbender_> Also, these characters are all from fanons, so read some of the fanons.

[2012-07-26 20:22:55] <AvatarRokusGhost> That sounds good

[2012-07-26 20:23:00] <Suzon> okay

[2012-07-26 20:23:00] <AvatarRokusGhost> Probly fun, too :)

[2012-07-26 20:23:04] <Suzon> yeah

[2012-07-26 20:23:06] <wordbender_> Very. ;)

[2012-07-26 20:23:33] <AvatarRokusGhost> Hmmm

[2012-07-26 20:23:38] * Suzon has the most to do for that

[2012-07-26 20:23:47] <AvatarRokusGhost> Can we cherry-pick some scenes with the character and post them somewhere?

[2012-07-26 20:23:57] <wordbender_> Very good idea.

[2012-07-26 20:23:59] <Suzon> You all have two less characters than me

[2012-07-26 20:24:12] * Suzon has to learn two more

[2012-07-26 20:24:18] <Suzon> than you

[2012-07-26 20:24:23] <wordbender_> Who do you have, Suzon

[2012-07-26 20:24:24] <wordbender_> ?

[2012-07-26 20:24:29] <Suzon> Olaiya

[2012-07-26 20:24:38] <Suzon> Who doesn't have a fanon...

[2012-07-26 20:24:43] <Suzon> So you don't have to do it

[2012-07-26 20:24:53] <Suzon> or your own

[2012-07-26 20:24:59] <Suzon> so I have two more than you

[2012-07-26 20:25:17] <wordbender_> The point is for everyone to learn all the characters.

[2012-07-26 20:25:38] <AvatarRokusGhost> Yes

[2012-07-26 20:25:40] <Suzon> Yes

[2012-07-26 20:25:42] <Suzon> I know

[2012-07-26 20:25:49] <Omar067> I'll post some scenes to the Avatar:Vortex wiki for my character.

[2012-07-26 20:25:52] <MateyY> So we know about 3 characters, right?

[2012-07-26 20:25:57] <Suzon> ????

[2012-07-26 20:26:01] <AvatarRokusGhost> I plan on copying some scenes and pasting them onto our wiki where Kaddo is prominent

[2012-07-26 20:26:03] <wordbender_> We can also do excerises, playing a different character.

[2012-07-26 20:26:06] <MateyY> * Olaiya

[2012-07-26 20:26:08] <MateyY> * Avatar

[2012-07-26 20:26:09] <Mageddon725> I'll do the same as Omar

[2012-07-26 20:26:11] <MateyY> * Mother

[2012-07-26 20:26:15] <wordbender_> I will do the same with Ursa, ARG

[2012-07-26 20:26:28] <Suzon> MateyY: Plus our own fanon's characters

[2012-07-26 20:26:54] <MateyY> Okay, I know who I'm going to do >XD

[2012-07-26 20:27:33] <Suzon> Who?

[2012-07-26 20:27:34] <Suzon> Mel?

[2012-07-26 20:27:44] <MateyY> Nope

[2012-07-26 20:27:46] <wordbender_> I will also write up instructions for Character Conventions. ;)

[2012-07-26 20:27:48] * Suzon and BM are goint to make a Vortex trailer

[2012-07-26 20:27:50] <MateyY> The Fire Mistress

[2012-07-26 20:27:53] <Suzon> Oh

[2012-07-26 20:27:55] <Suzon> I see

[2012-07-26 20:28:02] <MateyY> I have an amazing story for her.

[2012-07-26 20:28:06] <Suzon> oh

[2012-07-26 20:28:07] <MateyY> Only that I stopped writing

[2012-07-26 20:28:18] <MateyY> It was too much work X_X

[2012-07-26 20:28:33] <MateyY> However, now I am inspired

[2012-07-26 20:28:39] <Suzon> ok

[2012-07-26 20:28:55] <Suzon> Well; is that all?

[2012-07-26 20:29:06] <Suzon> Should we end the meeting? or is there anything else?

[2012-07-26 20:29:07] <wordbender_> Did we want to talk plot?

[2012-07-26 20:29:10] <MateyY> IIeeP

[2012-07-26 20:29:14] <Suzon> We kind of have

[2012-07-26 20:29:17] <Suzon> we should wait

[2012-07-26 20:29:27] <MateyY> I HAVE A QUESTION!

[2012-07-26 20:29:28] <Suzon> for lostris and Slash

[2012-07-26 20:29:35] <Suzon> next time

[2012-07-26 20:29:35] <wordbender_> That's fair.

[2012-07-26 20:29:42] <Suzon> MateyY: What?

[2012-07-26 20:29:49] <MateyY> Do you want me to add AJAX on the recent activity pages on the wiki?

[2012-07-26 20:30:02] <MateyY> The Avatar: Vortex wiki

[2012-07-26 20:30:17] <Suzon> Sure.....

[2012-07-26 20:30:22] <Suzon> go ahead.......

[2012-07-26 20:30:29] <MateyY> Okay :)

[2012-07-26 20:30:36] <wordbender_> What is AJAX?

[2012-07-26 20:30:55] <Suzon> anything else? before I adjourn the meeting?

[2012-07-26 20:31:00] <Suzon> MateyY^^^

[2012-07-26 20:31:06] <Suzon> Explaain

[2012-07-26 20:31:11] <Suzon> to word

[2012-07-26 20:31:13] <Suzon> bender

[2012-07-26 20:31:21] <MateyY> ?

[2012-07-26 20:31:31] <Suzon> Explain AJAX

[2012-07-26 20:31:34] <Suzon> to word

[2012-07-26 20:31:58] <Omar067> When are we meeting again?

[2012-07-26 20:32:11] <Suzon> Two days

[2012-07-26 20:32:19] <Suzon> does Saturday work?

[2012-07-26 20:32:26] <wordbender_> Not for me.

[2012-07-26 20:32:30] <Suzon> Sunday?

[2012-07-26 20:32:32] <MateyY> Asynchronous JavaScript and XML

[2012-07-26 20:32:37] <Suzon> or Mondy?

[2012-07-26 20:32:37] <AvatarRokusGhost> Sunday works better for me

[2012-07-26 20:32:44] <MateyY> I probably can't make it on the weekend

[2012-07-26 20:32:50] <Suzon> Monday work?

[2012-07-26 20:32:53] <Suzon> anyone?

[2012-07-26 20:32:55] <MateyY> Same time next week?

[2012-07-26 20:32:56] <wordbender_> Monday would work

[2012-07-26 20:33:01] <AvatarRokusGhost> Mondays fine

[2012-07-26 20:33:03] <Suzon> at 5:00 ish?

[2012-07-26 20:33:05] <Suzon> EST

[2012-07-26 20:33:06] <MateyY> I'm not fully sure

[2012-07-26 20:33:14] <MateyY> Whatever you decide

[2012-07-26 20:33:17] <wordbender_> Is that early enough for Lostris?

[2012-07-26 20:33:18] <Suzon> idk

[2012-07-26 20:33:18] <AvatarRokusGhost> Okay

[2012-07-26 20:33:24] <Suzon> wordbender_: yep

[2012-07-26 20:33:28] <AvatarRokusGhost> It's 11 PM her time, I think so

[2012-07-26 20:33:29] <MateyY> About AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML); refreshes recent activity automatically ;)

[2012-07-26 20:33:41] <wordbender_> Sweet.

[2012-07-26 20:33:42] <AvatarRokusGhost> Ah

[2012-07-26 20:33:45] <Suzon> Okay

[2012-07-26 20:33:53] <Suzon> Meeting Adjourned

[2012-07-26 20:33:55] <Suzon> but don't leave

[2012-07-26 20:33:57] <Suzon> yet

[2012-07-26 20:34:01] <Suzon> let me kick you

[2012-07-26 20:34:04] <Suzon> so I can get

[2012-07-26 20:34:05] <Suzon> the hang

[2012-07-26 20:34:07] <Suzon> of it

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[2012-07-26 20:34:27] <wordbender_> *blocks kicked!*

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[2012-07-26 20:34:37] <wordbender_> BYe!

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